On the face of it, considering the domestic benefits of reducing greenhouse gases is a legitimate approach. In general, we take into account the domestic impacts of federal regulations, and it's not unreasonable to do the same thing for climate change—except for the fact that climate policy has massive global benefits, and actions by the United States are likely to have a favorable impact on the decisions of other countries to reduce their own emissions. In that case, Americans would be the beneficiaries of the “international benefits.” It’s a tricky issue, but my sense is that most economists agree that it’s unreasonable to focus so heavily on domestic benefits of greenhouse gas reductions.
Art Fraas: I’ve argued, and will continue to argue, that it's appropriate to present both the global and the domestic effect of these kinds of rules to decisionmakers and to the public, to the extent that the analytical framework will support that.
I think it’s appropriate to consider a range of discount rates, even though most economists feel comfortable with restricting consideration to a lower set of discount rates. It's important to consider a higher discount rate than the consumption rate of interest, generally viewed as 3 percent. (Some argue for focusing on an even lower discount rate.) But I think good arguments have been made for also considering a higher discount rate than those low rates.
Richard D. Morgenstern: The question is: How much higher? Obama’s task force specified 5 percent as their upper limit, and the Trump administration went back to the more traditional long-term number that the Office of Management and Budget has used, which is 7 percent. That's the part that I think is most questionable.
Does 5 percent seem reasonable as an upper limit? What is a reasonable range?
Art Fraas: I think the incoming administration will pull together a committee to come up with estimates for the discount rate, so I would defer to that committee.
How much of these considerations have stood up to peer review?
Art Fraas: The first interagency working group report did not have peer review. A later report had at least a public comment period and maybe some peer review, as well.
Richard D. Morgenstern: And then, the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine appointed a committee, co-chaired by RFF’s Richard G. Newell and Maureen L. Cropper, which produced a report that focused on the limitations of the social cost of carbon and ways of improving the estimates going forward. That was a form of peer review.
Art Fraas: While I think it would be hard to set up, it would be worthwhile to have a third-party institutional review of agency benefit-cost analysis that’s separate from the administration. Economics panels currently don’t tend to comment on the Regulatory Impact Analyses (RIAs) of rules. Maybe a really important rule, like the Clean Power Plan, gets that kind of attention. But a lot of the major rules don't. Most rules get comments from the affected industry or environmental organizations. But there’s no institutional, third-party review of the quality of RIAs.
Richard D. Morgenstern: I hate to disagree with my esteemed colleague, but I think the regulatory development process is already quite complicated. When RIAs were first introduced back in the 1980s, their cost, recognizing inflation, was a couple hundred thousand dollars. Now they cost several, oftentimes multiple, millions of dollars. For big rules especially, these reviews can cost a lot. Since public comment periods happen with these rules, and the OMB conducts reviews, the addition of RIA reviews generally would not be worth the additional time and resources involved.
Art Fraas: Just to defend my idea a bit: I think this kind of third-party review would be separate from the rule development process, and one way to do it could be a National Academy of Sciences effort to take, for example, 20 RIAs to evaluate and critique, suggesting ways to improve the RIA methodology. At one time, the Congress approved but never funded that kind of systematic review in the Government Accountability Office. It's a possible mechanism for keeping the agencies a little more honest.
And going back to the question of the extent to which recent rules and rollbacks are reversible or not: In terms of the climate-related regulations that the outgoing administration has rolled back, and the additional environmental regulations that could have been implemented by a different administration, EPA has lost more than four years. As the new administration comes in, it will take time to develop a new record to support climate-related regulation. And the new rules will have to go through formal proposal, take comments, respond to those comments, and then become a final rule. And there may even be a court review after that. So it may be a delay of at least six years—maybe even more—associated with the four-year interlude of the Trump administration.